That all depends on the powder youre burning. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:01 pm, Post In the case of multiple buyers for one item, customers will be given 24 hours to complete a transaction, after which firearms will be made available to the next buyer. Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? Henry Big Boy All-Weather Rifle 10 RD 357 Magnum 38 Spl 10 . It really boils down to max distance, drop, and how much the bullets . . im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. A broken case was stuck in the chamber and a bullet a ways down the barrel. Poppycock; the .357 Magnum is one of the best rounds for personal defense out there. All Types (1000+) 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .357 Maximum .357 Maximum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #1 Lyman #1 RCBS #6 Recipe Type: Pistol Bullet Weight: ALL 100 gr 110 gr 125 gr 140 gr 158 gr 165 gr 170 gr 180 gr 200 gr Powder: ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Hodgdon CFE BLK Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon Lil'Gun Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!. Well, things are tough all over I guess. The 357 Maximum was invented to compete in that contest (most likely?). Being a straight walled cartridge, its a snap. Going price was 399.they didnt have any..but said they had a 45 Long Colt at a discount 299easy decision. Nobody cared about the AR-15. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. Oranges should be squeezed into juice. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. .357 MAGnum throated long to accept .357 MAXimum published loads in MAGnum brass, (Ask about other options such as .35 Remington, .358/.356 Winchester.). 44 Mag is much more forgiving. Several years back I wanted a light weight all weather stainless steel single shot rifle chambered in 357 magnum, and the Rossi was the answer. And if even a Henry is a little rich for your blood, Rossi makes perfectly serviceable pistol-caliber levers that retail in the mid-$500s. I cant go the range without people coming over to try it out. I enjoyed your article. The hammer and bolt still make contact with each other on the side of the hammer, not just where the bolt cocks the hammer. Because many states have recently enacted hunting laws that allow for straight-case centerfire cartridges, in addition to the previous shotgun slugs only. It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. Gun shows are your salvation. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! (I do have a Ruger LCR that was pretty good out of the box and a 50 year old 1911 that are in the running.). This is especially true if you plan to hunt or compete in silhouette competitions as lighter bullets don't maintain enough energy at longer ranges. For the more meticulous shooters and those who like to experiment with the widest variety of bullet types. .358" jacketed, .357" jacketed, and cast lead bullets, just ask them to send the barrel to me to chamber for $105 post paid to you, billed separately by me. The world's most powerful firearm database. I'd bet you well over 90 percent of all IHMSA ammo was loaded on the shooter's bench. In fact, a lever action carbine and a revolver in matching caliber is every bit as useful today as it was for the settlers on the Western Frontier. The rifle should be able to shoot all the standard lead .357 bullets, including the 148 gr wadcutters. I have not seen the .357 atomic but know of the .375 atomic-it is a i.4 in. Additionally, .357 Magnum lever action rifles can accept optics as most are pre-tapped for scopes and can easily be fit for a tactical rail. There were two major complaints with the Max, both having to do with powder gas erosion. Full rechamber to .357 MAXimum or .350 Legend for energy levels on par with .300 Savage or moderate .308 Winchester loads and a bonafide 250 yard rifle. A Dan Wesson revolver in that caliber based on the heavy duty Dan Wesson 44 Mag frame was offered. Jim Rhodes Greenville, Al. $800 was a great price.. Remington and Ruger eventually . A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. . ", Go toMatch Grade Machine or call them at 435 628 0071. With that said, should your fancy be tickled, here are five .357 Magnum lever action rifles to look for. Made in 1988, nickel, no drag marks on cylinder, factory original box and paperwork, like new! Rifle Brass; Rifles; Specialty Long Range; Sub-Caliber Products (.17, .14, .12, & .10 caliber) Cartridge Board Displays; Shotgun ; Firearms; Featured Item.14 Ackley . If you want to shoot .357 Magnum and .38 Special ammo, just long throat the factory chamber! Trust me. And they repeat that statement in the new book about Samuel Colt. I now have the Ruger gp100-7. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames., I have to agree. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. *We Never share your email without your permission. My Marlin feeds .38 Special just fine but has a tendency to hang up on .357 Mag rounds (no matter the bullet type, it seems to be an OAL issue.). Bfh_auto Member Joined: Feb 23, 2016 Messages: 6,502 In single shot rifles or pistols, I would choose the max. Thank God for so many various powders available. Have you tried hand-loading and experimenting with overall length? Comes with original Colt wood and rubber grips Sig Sauer P2340 .357 caliber with a 4in. This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. Rechambering to bottle neck cartridges with additional for handling and converting extractor for rimless cases, from $205. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. I Wont be waiting on you to be relevantjust sayin. those .357s out of a 20 inch barrel will just bounce off the bad guys chest, I tell ya!!!!!!! by groschen1936 Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:28 pm, Post For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 350 Legend is faster, more powerful, and can be used in more guns than the .357 Magnum. Later, Dan Wesson Firearms made double-action revolvers, and Thompson/Center offered single-shot Contender pistol barrels. Id tend to agree with you. Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. .357 Remington Maximum beats many of the traditional factory loaded "deer cartridges" such as .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. These comments are directed at the people say there is no ammo to buy, or its too expensive. I use regular .38 Special/.357 Magnum dies to load my .357 Maximum ammo. This is my wifes go-to rifle for defense. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. Also, the Contender comes in longer barrel lengths than the 7.5 and 10.5 inch barrels that Ruger made the Blackhawk with for the .357 Rem. It brings old school to the new school and shoots like a dream. It is my go-to gun for self-defense at home and in my car. .357 Maximum when loaded down in a rifle length barrel is almost like shooting an air rifle. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 pm, Post I can (for now) legally own an AR, and do. They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. Just picked up a Marlin 1894C at my local gun store. You can throw the entire reloading setup (minus powder and primers and bullets) into a cargo pocket. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. So for me, the perfect single-caliber combo would be .357 Mag wheelgun at the hip holster, and lever gun such as one of those shown in the article above. Yeah both pretty awesome. FILE PHOTO Check out our website and use our Facebook li Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16 inch .357Mag Lever Action. With higher-performance loads, the .357 carbine almost delivers real rifle ballistics. 40-50 Sharps 1 7/8" and the 40-60 Maynard 2.20" can be made by blowing out 303 British or 30-40 Krag cases and cutting to length. Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. Henry is finally putting out some side loading gate models, while still retaining the muzzle end magazine tube, so as to make them easier and safer to unload. And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). Cheap factory 158gr LRN is subsonic and stupid quiet for those that are complete hereticslike meand suppress their levers. Chiefs Special, 6 Python and Henry in 357. It is also more effective when used with a long gun, where it is legal to hunt with rifles. And of course my Marlin comes back today from the warranty repair and they still havent fixed the main issue I sent it in for. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. They should come from the factory that way. That 2000 fps 357 mag load is 1100 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Never again Marlin, shouldve bought another Henry. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. A few javelina even took up residence beneath a collapsed radar dish, they just tunneled under the edge and hid out all hunting season. Working range would be 50-70 yards. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Thompson center contender barrel, 357 max, 21" blued at the best online prices at eBay! Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. Thus sighted, 125 grain +p 38 special is spot on out to about 50 yards, maybe furtherbut havent tried it. It shoots deadly accurate and has amazingly smooth trigger action. Included with the barrel is a stainless steel MGM scope base and stainless steel Burris Z Rings. The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! . As Im not a horseman, I didnt think much of it beyond that. .357 caliber bullets (from left to right) 158 gr XTP, 180 gr XTP, 200 gr FTX, New 357 Rem Max casing. Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-rossi-model-92-lever-action-45-colt/, Also not a .357, but a stunning Henry: My one friend was shooting 158jsp out of his as they shot very well. For sale I have a Harrington & Richardson (H&R) model 158 rifle in .357 Maximum. JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. Designed to increase the range and pattern density of your favorite turkey gun. I would think the old school lever lovers and the black rifle guys could come together on this. The conversion was not troublesome at all other than a rebarrel and chamber job , it feeds with no modifications whatever needed. Here is a link to an article that may answer some questions. While visiting Rugers New Hampshire facility in 1985, I learned that when the company built the California Highway Patrol Commemorative model of the No. A couple of people got that familiar look in their eyes and started plotting their next purchase right there. Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. .44 Henry rimfire. I shoot 38 short. Caint answer Ur ? Returns MUST be left with the transferring dealer. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. I haven't dismissed the idea but I'll research the best rate-of-twist for it. Rimmed cases don't play well with stacked magazines like in the 700 Remington. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Guns can be fun. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Henry offers their stunningly beautiful rifles, all American-made, for substantially less than a Marlin price tag. Long guns get in the way. Good thought though. 30-30 is always a good option. Here are links for the articles Ive posted over the years; enjoy! I dont have a horse ..so the ring comes off. Brand: Winchester. Post I agree, a lever gun in the .357 Max would be quite the setup. Loads published in the major reloading manuals are pitifully understated, going to only go to about 40,000 psi. Lil Gun is proving to be one of the very best powders for maximum performance in any barrel length, while AA-1680 is still gaining a little more speed per inch in 24 barrels. Extremely accurate, small groupsit reminds me why I got into shooting in the first place. Getting old aint easy. If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. Not everything has to be tactically sound. Why? Show Only with Pictures It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). Reloading has nothing to do with it.. And, I AM a Vietnam in-country veteran, Gomer. But do you know how to properly use them? 20170926..35Cal.190gr.Fury.Jug.Test - Copy1.jpg, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/, https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2435, https://matchgrademachine.com/encore-contender-357-magnum-maximum-load-development-results/, http://hawkbullets.com/bullet-selection.html, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/ets?caliber=43, http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf. NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon scope H&R 490 Topper Jr 20 ga, barrel cut to 21.5" threaded to Rem Chokes. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post The.357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. I might have read your post incorrectly but I live in occupied Ca and I have a Rossi 92 (1892 clone) and a Taurus 605 both in .38sp/.357. Pricey, but they take down to a package about 20 inches long without sacrificing accuracy and are very well made. 1830 fps 100 yds 1427 fps 200 yds 1138 fps 158 gr. Re: Reloading the 357 MAXIMUM. by Chris83716 Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:35 pm, Post Extremely fun to shoot makes them relevant. Apples should be in pie. 357/38 is the one of the easiest. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. including a .40 S&W Barrel (view pictures). Note the 1/4" groups with .358" bullets in their .358" cylindrical throat and only slightly larger groups with .357" bullets, Copyright 2023 .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA, New Custom Made Barrels by Match Grade Machine. I shot 180 hardcast lead both from Buffalo Bore and HSM bear loads. Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. The Jelly Head Maximum utilizes an extended taper and fluted ports to tighten patterns up to 20 perc OUR STOCK NUMBER:13211 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI..R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 20" CAPACITY: 12+1 FURNITURE: DARK BRAZILIA Uberti 1873 Cattleman II NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550) This pistol is brand new in the box. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. I do like the other pistols but somehow I always end up back at one of those two. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns, Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway, Rossi Model 92 357 Mag, Case Color Receiver. Now Rechambering Henry Single Shot .357 Magnum Rifles! The more the merrier. NEVER JAM BULLETS INTO THE RIFLINGS! Im a wee bit envious. Many shooters used their long-barreled .357 Magnum revolvers but usually longed for a bit more velocity to go with those heavy bullets. It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Item Number: 534259137. I really want to get one in .357 mag. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Trying to understand why the only conclusion I can draw is that people think them as old-fashioned and slow. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. Maybe people will wake up and smell the coffee. All you have to do is search the net for, I survived a center-mass shot from a .357 magnum to see all the supporting evidence you need. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Designed to use popular handgun calibers, it allowed shooters to carry a single caliber of ammo. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. The hole in the barrel and tube could not be repaired but were near the ends, so he shortened and crowned the barrel, put in a new mag tube spring. It's failure as a commercial load does not reflect poorly on it's performance, as it has become increasingly popular for handgun hunters and silhouette shooters alike. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:57 pm, Post can you find sace for a backpack sized tote? The .357 Maximum was an effort to give you .357 Magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Until February of 2020 a person could get a lot of different cheap ( relatively) 38 Special and 357 target ammo. Curious that this article features only the most expensive versions of .357 carbines. My main load was Winchester 357 Silvertips. But it didnt came from the Marlin factory that way, and it took a custom lever gunsmith a lot of work and a lot of replacement parts to get it there. Wow, so many new posts on the 357 Mag rifles. AS ALWAYS, START ABOUT 10% LOW AND WORK UP! Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. If you want to. I have one, and they are very nice, but spendy, and very hard to come by. And 9mm , 45 ACP, 40 S&W , 380 Auto and all the rest. Despite the fact there is little commercial production for the .357 Remington maximum, the cartridge is well liked by hunters who understand the velocities, energy, and recoil it produces makes for a very efficient and manageable cartridge. rounds and it goes on just about every trip to the range. Of course, you can also get the original Winchester carbine, the Winchester 1873. I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. My revolvers and levers arent in .357 Mag. Speaking of bullets, the .357 is one of the best cast-bullet rounds ever, so add a lead pot, a mould, and a pan of lube to the kit. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. From what I hear the Henry trigger is better though. That never happened with Ruger. When Remington put the special round into production, it got a new (and prophetic) name: .357 Maximum. Once that word gets around, Henry and Brazilian made Rossi levers, and even Uberti and other Italian made Lever guns will gain more of the market share.