The pistol with speed loaders will get me to the riffels then game over if not over yet. In the end of the nearly five-minute shootout, five FBI agents were wounded and twoJerry Dove and Benjamin Groganwere killed. In the words of Dr. Peter Rhee, a leading trauma surgeon and a retired Navy captain with 24-years of service, talking about all handgun wounds including .45 ACP and 9mm, he said, A Handgun wound is simply a stabbing with a bullet. Weve known this for, what, eighty years now? Generous readers sustain our work. And anyways I own a Kimber Colt 45 1911 with a muzzle breaker on it steel slide aluminum from and honey comb grips, I also own for my conceal Walther Q4 with tactical barrel. Avoid contact with other people's blood and body fluids. Give me a break!! Then, theres the venerable .357 magnum, which, though smaller than the .44, comes roaring out of a barrel at speeds as high as 1600 FPS. The concern that a round will pass through an assailant and harm an innocent bystander is largely exaggerated. They will simply leave their buddy there to die (and hopefully be able to take one of us with him). For two decades, MARSOC operators have been allowed to carry custom-built Colt 1911s chambered in .45ACP. Just wanted to throw that against the wall. In those 53 years, weve built a reputation as one of Texass most trusted firearms dealers, and we did it in a state where sellers of used guns are almost as common as oil wells and prime rib. This pits apples to apples and will once and for all lay to rest all this ludicrous debate. Id use either! If I remember my undergraduate physics, acceleration is defined as a change in velocity or a change in vector. Of handgun owners alone, 63 percent owned these for the purpose of protecting themselves against other people, with another 20 percent owning them for protection against animals. It got up and walked about 25 yards before falling. Thanks for reading and commenting!! They have to show the bean counters proof for the money to fund the switch of caliber. Indeed, physiological factors play a very small part in rapid incapacitation of a target. The latest testing shows that modern 9mm performs pretty much as well as the other common semi-auto options, and since it carries more rounds and is easier to shoot (and I dont care who you are, but it is easier/faster to shoot compared to the larger calibers), it is fairly sound logic to select the 9mm. Shooting another person is only done with the intention to, at the very least, incapacitate the subject to protect the physical safety of others. Practice more and dont be proud you cant shoot. Whats more, for those who are considering purchasing a firearm for home defense, but have not yet done so, it is important to know what kind of firearm is appropriate for your needs. Regards Jim, Sorry for the typos are you speak to text because I cant text like my child. For another 2+ years. Before he did this there was almost as many different firearms within the department as deputies. To make a long govt document short, the armor would likely stop a 9mm with a few bruises. But it is no longer valid against todays terrorists, and the mindset they fight with. Pretty broad pattern where adrenaline can also make hands shake. and love a SA trigger. Thank you. While 9mm is not as good at killing men as the 45 Auto, it is smaller, lighter, cheaper, easier to handle, and allows more opportunities to miss the target.. The one he found had the best chance was the .357 magnum. There are other similar handgun calibers, such as the .44 Special and the .45 Colt, and of course, the .357 SIG and 10mm Auto are I dont have the time to read it. Handgun cartridges just dont do that. Owned a model 29 .357 So, yes, they are looking at it with the assumption that modern 9mm JHP bullets perform very similarly to .40s&w and .45acp, and thus will move toward 9mm loadings for sidearms. Never had a jam up firing many different kinds of ammo. I love it. The human body experiences four main types of acid-based disorders: metabolic acidosis, metabolic alkalosis, respiratory acidosis, and respiratory alkalosis. also carry a lcp ruger 380 in a desantis pocket holster, covers the trigger guard real nice. While each of them has no direct bearing on incapacitation, they must all be considered. For a tommygun, I'd probably go with 1d8 base damage, +1 magical weapon bonus to represent penetration and damage, and the ability to make a cone area attack (save or take damage). Well, depends on whom you ask. Training, muscle memory, nerves, etc dictate to me, that the harder hitting rounds are far more apt to keep me going home in the morning. It was a contact shot into the center chest on a sleeping target. Another, was a 300lb black bear. Yes, I know it was a +P round, but then, there arent any grizzly bears in my neck of the woods. Along that line of thought, I bought my tiny little 24 year old niece a pistol when she moved to Kansas by herself. The paramedics said he probably would not live. For this reason, jacketed hollow point (JHP) ammo is the only realistic choice for those who carry a handgun for self-defense. The FBI has made a pragmatic decision that the 147 grain 9mm bullet is the best bullet for its agents because it allows for more rounds in the handgun. The .223 is carrying 335 foot-pounds of force, while the .22 carries 70 foot-pounds. The original design and purpose of the 1911 45, was perfect for its knock down power. Practice, practice, practice. And I suspect it could very well be the Sig P320 as it is the epitome of modular.. 5.56 NATO in .223 Rem could result in failures. We do, however, have reliable information from labs with regard to how much tissue rounds destroy. Developed in the early 1960s, the .223 round was first used in Vietnam. As blood moves through the body, it picks up extra fluid, chemicals and waste. It was modified to accept a detachable magazine and equipped with a folding stock. In a statement, the FBI said he used a modified an SKS , the predecessor to the AK-47 which shoots the same bullets. On the other hand, a .22 that you can carry easily and put into operation quickly and shoot accurately is probably not a good defense gun/round because to do enough damage requires brain-shot accuracy with each shot. Look at the Walter Scott shooting. Again this is my opinion and it is based on personal COMBAT EXPERIENCE. A .45 ACP will encounter greater resistance than a 9mm, but it also carries more weight, albeit at a slower velocity. I seem to recall reading in Rangemaster newsletter a month or two ago an FBI paper making the FMJ case. I do like the capacity of the 9mm for in town carry and lighter weight than my Govt model 45s. Tearing and rupturing is common in tissue surrounding the wound channel. Wondering if these Marine special operators are not only allowed but required to carry exclusively the 15-round Glock 19, why not the slightly larger and higher capacity Glock 17? This translates to a simple formula for shooting success: practice, practice, practice. The amount of energy a bullet radiates into a target is determined by a simple formula taught in high school: Its the product of one half the projectiles mass times the square of the velocity. .45 ACP (230gr) One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration. So its all about what fits they individual and what they are comfortable and accurate with. I like to study real world crime stats and self-defense incidents; and study hundreds of shootings every year. https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/, http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/07/08/u-s-military-makes-monumental-shift-hollowpoint-pistol-ammunition/, https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/, Victim Uses Awareness And a Gun to End Armed Attacker, S8E5: The Battle over Gun Registration & Assault Weapon Ban Rages On, Man Disarmed And Shot With Own Handgun in Parking Lot, Finally a Holster for the SIRT Pocket Pistol, Watch This Before You Shoot Your Pistol!! My feeling is that the gun for you will be as individual as you are. 9mm capacity! It worries me that you feel safe carrying a .45 acp around bears and moose. Chris Bartocci on a YouTube video explains why MARSOC went away from this 1911. If one keeps a weapon in the home for self defense, we believe that it is a duty to know the weapon inside and out and to train with it regularly. In combat the one thing that does count is having more capacity, whether you miss or have more threats to neutralize, more capacity is a good thing no matter how you look at it. One week later the detective in charge advised me that papa lived, walked out of the hospital and back to Mexico. My neighbor saw that the guy was afraid of the thing and couldnt get back on target after the 1st shot due to the recoil and his flinching with every shot. 0.177" Steel air gun dart will penetrate to shank, in skin, at 120 ft/s. Basically what I'm saying is the .50 is almost the same size as .45 and the tissue damage is near the same. So In a effort to accommodate all soldiers they switched to a milder recoiling 9mm round. 7.62 isn't pistol ammunition though. The bullet has far less weight and cross section than a .45 acp? You can read all the FBI reports and all the ballistic gel crap you want. One other thought dont ever modify the trigger on your self-defensive gun if you ever have to use it in those situations and lawyer finds that out he will own everything you have. Ultimately, your selection of a caliber should be based first on the penetration, and second on the unexpanded size of the round. I have several calibers, personally I like my Sig 239 40cal as my sidearm ! The best gun is the one that is best in your hands not best someone elses hands. I know they dont keep records like this; but if you could count all the rounds fired in a battle, and how many kills were made by each caliber; would that not be a better indicator of the efficiency of the caliber. This can cause more than embarrassment. The Human Torso Test. Richard, I guess I have little feminine hands as I prefer to carry my 9mm for self-defense and on duty. They found that their guns wouldnt stop the insurgents charging at them, until seconds or minutes after the bullets entered their adversaries bodies.
Hydrostatic shock With a bone thats been shot with a standard-issue caliber handgun, youll see a break, a hole in the bone, and maybe some displacement. The reason they went over to the +P was to punch through windshields. But I have some serious doubts about his understanding of external and terminal ballistics. I am a classic ). The .9mm, took3 rounds to the chest and he never even paused. WebThey could balance it by decreasing the damage of other pistol cartridges, like for example, Intermediate cartridges like 7.62x39/5.56x45 could one tap the upper torso and 2 tap lower torso, the .45 ACP could 2 tap torso, dealing just shy the amount of damage required to kill upper torso, include a large penalty with that. This was not a good CC carry for me so I stoped carring for a while. Americans have this impression, I think, that comes from watching too many old movies, that a bullet fired from a handgun is supposed to flip the bad guys ten feet into the air, if not disintegrate them altogether and leave a smoking pair of haji sandals on the pavement where they were. The damage is often extensive, and not just for those who die. But Im my opinion, they are tools! Sit back and take a deep breath and pray that if I am ever involved in a use of force criminal trial, pray like mad that this Marine is NOT called as an Expert Witness because I do not think there is enough toilet paper in a courthouse to clean up the mess this guy is going to make from his testimony. The louder the pop the more credence is added to his choice to continue in his efforts his engagement with you. I own one of each 9mil Ruger,Capacity 17 rounds,CZ 45 10 rounds.For stopping power at close range ,I prefer the 45.It is harder to conceal because of its size and weight.The Ruger 9 mil is easier to carry concealed,And a whole lot lighter.Both are comfortable to shoot,to me.A 45 is not for everyone.If you carry concealed the weapon of chose is what you are comfortable with.Handling and performance,depends on the owner.The Military has been changing weapons since day one.I suppose it usually comes down who can supply what the military wants and how much they cost.I personally have handled the Glock 17 and the 19 and dont care for them.I prefer the Ruger or the CZ. Pistol calibers can work well if you dispense them from an SMG and send lots of them at a time. While massive trauma to the circulatory system can cause incapacitation, this takes time. I seen it first hand as well. A high-muzzle bullet, however, destroys whole areas of body. For the sake of interest, some indicators of the penetrative powers of various types of ammunition follow: Virtually all calibres (excepting air weapons) will penetrate the tread or side wall of a motor vehicle tyre. .45 ACP FMJ doesnt normally make bad people flop to the ground instantaneously unless it hits the brain or spinewhich is probably what happened, given his skills. Different bullets and guns have different patterns. When theres no more powder burning to push the projectile, it decelerates. I have used the 1911 govt. People have died from hitting their head just right after slipping at their desk,kitchen. Fire Rate: 240 Im an athletic guy so handling the recoil is not too bad. Ive carried about every size round in my 71+ years of which 36 was an LEO. Long time reloader right here as well which is why I couldnt believe when I read what I did in that other articleclearly someone that doesnt understand how these things work!! Request a quote for the most accurate & reliable non-lethal training, A shootout that killed multiple FBI agents underscores the need for cops to use bullets that will neutralize an adversary as quickly as possible. The past 45 years never needed more than one shot. What makes the .223 potentially deadlier than the .22 is its velocity.